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The Great Vegan Honey Debate

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There's never been a better time to be a half-assed vegetarian. Five years ago, the American Dialect Society honored the word flexitarian for its utility in describing a growing demographic—the "vegetarian who occasionally eats meat." Now there's evidence that going flexi is good for the environment and good for your health. A study released last October found that a plant-based diet, augmented with a small amount of dairy and meat, maximizes land-use efficiency. In January, Michael Pollan distilled the entire field of nutritional science into three rules for a healthy diet: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." According to a poll released last week, Americans seem to be listening: Thirteen percent of U.S. adults are "semivegetarian," meaning they eat meat with fewer than half of all their meals. In comparison, true vegetarians—those who never, ever consume animal flesh—compose just 1 percent.

Is honey the dairy of the insect world?

By Daniel Engber

There's never been a better time to be a half-assed vegetarian. Five years ago, the American Dialect Society honored the word flexitarian for its utility in describing a growing demographic—the "vegetarian who occasionally eats meat." Now there's evidence that going flexi is good for the environment and good for your health. A study released last October found that a plant-based diet, augmented with a small amount of dairy and meat, maximizes land-use efficiency. In January, Michael Pollan distilled the entire field of nutritional science into three rules for a healthy diet: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." According to a poll released last week, Americans seem to be listening: Thirteen percent of U.S. adults are "semivegetarian," meaning they eat meat with fewer than half of all their meals. In comparison, true vegetarians—those who never, ever consume animal flesh—compose just 1 percent.

The flexitarian ethic is beginning to creep into the most ardent sector of the meat-free population: the vegans. In recent years, some in the community have begun to loosen up the strict definitions and bright-line rules that once defined the movement. You'll never find a self-respecting vegan downing a glass of milk or munching on a slice of buttered toast. But the modern adherent may be a little more accommodating when it comes to the dairy of the insect world: He may have relaxed his principles enough to enjoy a spoonful of honey.

There is no more contentious question in the world of veganism than the one posed by honey. A fierce doctrinal debate over its status has raged for decades; it turns up on almost every community FAQ and remains so ubiquitous and unresolved that radio host Rachel Maddow proposed to ask celebrity vegan Dennis Kucinich about it during last year's CNN/YouTube presidential debate. Does honey qualify as a forbidden animal product since it's made by bees? Or is it OK since the bees don't seem too put out by making it?

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The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Makhno on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 11:58 AM CDT
It would have been more appropriate to leave this article under the "Religion" category as I originally submitted it, because it shows that, as I have always said, veganism is more about religious faith and intolerance than any pragmatic concerns about health or the environment.
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 12:49 PM CDT
what about pragmatic concerns about animal abuse? factory farms n all that. i think that's why many people are vegan. how do you not get that?
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Makhno on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 01:40 PM CDT
Concern for human health and the human environment is pragmatic; concern for animals is sentimental or spiritual, or in the case of vegans, dogmatic.
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Carcass on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 05:26 PM CDT
An individual's concern for his/her own health and own habitat is pragmatic. Beyond that, you've got to wade into the murky, subjective waters of ethics (or "sentimentality," as you called it in your silly little dismissal). This macho bullshit where credibility falls at the feet of the one who pretends to act without feeling has got to CEASE. Nobody makes their decisions purely based on some kind of objective sociological imperative. Everyone but everyone makes decisions based on a combination logic and visceral emotion. A lot of people are vegan because they think it's straight fucked up to kill and enslave other animals, especially when it's in no way necessary for your survival. Don't buy it? Fine, don't be vegan. But don't expect us to fight any less hard because you don't agree. re: dogma Veganism's no more or less dogmatic than anarchism. If you see more dogmatic vegans than anarchists, it's probably because you're one of the latter and not one of the former.
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Sex//NoSex on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 01:53 PM CDT
I am a vegan, and would like to comment on this article. First of all, the articles notes that bees feel pain. Well, I have asked my biology teacher if bees feel pain, and I have done some research on the subject. I have found no conclusive evidence that bees feel pain. I also do not think bees are conscious to their "enslavement" of making honey, nor think they would do much differently in nature than in a honey farm, or whatever you call it. Thirdly, my friend was nearly killed by bees for no good reason while he was cutting the grass. If the bees do not give a shit about him, why should he, or I, give a shit about them.
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: rjuinm on Friday, August 01 2008 @ 10:15 AM CDT
God yes!! At last someone with whom I can agree!! Fuck the bees! They stung my friend. Let them all die!!
Jesus, folks, where the fuck are we going here?
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 02:05 PM CDT
Flame war! Pour some honey on it!

I'm not a vegan, but I've been concerned about the situation with honeybees for several years. In fact, I've been annoying friends about the honeybee crisis for years before it became front page news.

Chuck
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: Guy on Thursday, July 31 2008 @ 04:49 PM CDT
Most articles definitely write a narrative for veganism as a primarily ethical, sentimental lifestyle. I used to be a vegan, and the chief concerns amongst my friends and I were two:

1) That using animal products in our society was a reflection of our notions of human "exceptionalism," and that veganism would help erode the hierarchy we construct between species, which was important to us because we thought that if we could allow ourselves that kind of entitlement over other species, the logic might bleed over into other areas.

2) That it was near impossible in the US, or at least the urban areas we were from, to use animal products responsibly, sustainably, and with respect. In other words, because of what capitalism did to commodify animal products and remove the process of meat/product production from human hands, it was inherently a rotten business. We felt that if you're not skinning and gutting the animal yourself, or if you can't imagine what it's like to do it, you can't possibly have a sense of responsibility for what you're consuming.

Whether we were way off or not is secondary. It just seems to me that, with what I just said in mind, discussions regarding ethics of veganism are impoverished. Instead of dealing with the concepts of exploitation and exceptionalism and how animal use links to other systems or hierarchies (or not), most of the discussion is about whether or not this or that particular product violates veganism or not. I guess what I'm looking for is a more politicized veganism.
The Great Vegan Honey Debate
Authored by: libertyblues on Saturday, August 02 2008 @ 05:15 AM CDT
I know vegans who eat honey, and those who don't. I know vegans who spend the extra cash on organic cane sugar and those who are find with dumpstering a bag of beet sugar, sometimes filtered through animal charcoal. There's a gradation; some people don't eat broccoli. Some vegans are militant, and these are the ones you remember when you get a bad taste (broccoli?) in your mouth when thinking about "vegans", but why stereotype?

Also, I feel its a little misleading to say that going "flexi" is better for the environment. Sure, if almost everyone did it, there are measurable gains in land that can be rewilded. If only a few people are doing it though, it's foolish to say to a vegan than my occasional meat eating is saving the environment.

Bentham says: "It may one day come to be recognised that the number of the legs, the villosity of the skin, or the termination of the os sacrum are reasons equally insufficient for abandoning a sensitive being to the same fate.
"What else is it that should trace the insuperable line? Is it the faculty of reason or perhaps the faculty of discourse? But a full-grown horse or dog is beyond comparison a more rational, as well as more conversable animal, than an infant of a day or a week or even a month old. But suppose they were otherwise, what would it avail? the question is not, Can they reason?, nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?"

I would also worry about migratory bee keeping, possibly spreading whatever causes colony collapse disorder. The current form of the US Agriculture-Industrial Complex uses to keep everything pollinated.